Response to "My Monkey" and "Monkey business" letters
This is a response to an article on nonhuman primate testing in the Isthmus weekly and the follow-up letters in this week's issue, all but one of which were extremely anti-animal testing.
Animal rights groups like to portray scientists as sadists torturing large numbers of animals. This is a pretty stupid accusation if you know anything about how animal testing really works, because a) the damn things are expensive. People buy pet store mice for less than a buck. If you had to pay $40 for a mouse, you would treat it very nicely, and you also wouldn't go out and buy several dozen of them unless you had a very good reason. Primates cost THOUSANDS. b) You get better data out of a group of healthy, happy animals than a group of animals where some are OK and some are sick or hurt. If - if - all of the stuff that the guy wrote in that article was true, the monkeys get worse treatment than our mice.
Dear Editors,
“We shouldn't test drugs on monkeys because 92% of drugs that pass nonhuman primate studies fail in clinical trials" is specious because the occurrence of adverse side effects that can be allowed for a human drug is so extremely low. Human clinical trials involve dozens, hundreds, then thousands of people. If for instance 0.5% of them have heart attacks, this is unacceptable but wouldn't have been detected in a study of a dozen monkeys, even when the drug has the same effect on monkeys as humans.
The only alternative would be to take drugs only tested in vitro or in mice and put them straight into humans, which I don't think would be acceptable to anyone. Of course there are some alternative medicine fans who believe that most of modern medicine is a conspiracy, but the vast majority of people reading this will have benefited from modern drugs and other therapies at some point in their lives, and all of these have been tested in animal models.
Yes, a monkey is not the same as a human, nor is a mouse. But with our existing technology, no amount of testing in vitro can replicate the fantastic complexity of a live creature, so they're the best we've got. Scientists are not sadists out to torture the maximum number of animals. We are workers with limited budgets to keep expensive animals, and humans with hearts. "Reduce, refine, and replace" is in
everyone's interest, but replacement is not always possible.
Sincerely,
I noticed that Rick Bogle (founder of the Primate Freedom Project) used the word "vivisectors" in his letter. "Vivisection" harks back to the days when people would tie up and cut up screaming animals without anaesthesia because many people believed that animals weren't actually capable of feeling pain. Nobody believes that any more, and any good IACUC (Institutional Animal Care and Use Committee) will reject out of hand a protocol that includes severely painful procedures - basically, anything worse than a blood sample or an injection - without anaesthesia. Even leaving aside that many people go into biology because we like animals, putting an animal under that much suffering would give you screwy results from the stress.
I strongly recommend reading CS Lewis' essay "On Vivisection" especially if you're Christian. I think this is the full version, many of the other versions floating around the Internet been selectively chopped up and censored. He writes about the tremendous sense of awe and responsibility which a Christian researches owes to God's creatures on whom he or she is inflicting pain. (He uses "trembling awe" but I certainly don't want to be trembling when I give a little baby chick an intravenous injection.)
"Reduce, refine, replace"; scientific reasons for minimizing pain and stress; the divine mandate to take care of Creation. Because of the world we live in, we have to keep using animals, but keeping all these things in mind.

5 Comments:
"any good IACUC (Institutional Animal Care and Use Committee) will reject out of hand a protocol that includes severely painful procedures"
You don't know what you are talking about. See for instance, Undersea Hyperb Med. 2008 Jan-Feb;35(1):61-7. Oxygen pre-breathing decreases dysbaric diseases in UW sheep undergoing hyperbaric exposure.Sobakin AS, Wilson MA, Lehner CE, Dueland RT, Gendron-Fitzpatrick AP.
Dept. of Surgical Sciences, University of Wisconsin-Madison, Madison, Wisconsin
http://www.uhms.org/portals/0/uhm/vol35/35_1/2129sobakin-2-4.pdf
BTW. Re your comment in "5 scientists vs 1 mouse," Kawaoka was studying Ebola right here in Madison; he very easily could be still. Your assertion that he wasn't is incorrect. See: http://primateresearch.blogspot.com/search?q=kawaoka
Hi Mr. Bogle,
Thanks for your comments but I notice you didn't address the points in my letter and instead chose to nitpick a generalization I made. I stand by what I said that ACUCs will reject protocols that don't provide anaesthesia for painful procedures. I've read a number of papers where the outcomes involved severe pain or suffering but those are rare exceptions compared to the vast body of published work on animals.
(I have no idea how Mr. Bogle found a random nobody's blog since it was Tuesday and the Isthmus only comes out on Thursday, so I have no idea whether they will publish my letter or not, and the two Isthmus webpages I linked to don't have any "trackback" function that I noticed. Maybe he spends all day Googling his own name?)
Also, the Kawaoka group developed a MINIGENOME system for Ebola. A minigenome is totally different from working with live Ebola virus which they don't do here, unless you're accusing them of lying to the entire university administration.
From the online Merriam-Webster Dictionary: Vivisection means: the cutting of or operation on a living animal usually for physiological or pathological investigation ; broadly : animal experimentation especially if considered to cause distress to the subject.
Notice that there is nothing in there mentioned about the use of anesthesia. Which you have brainwashed yourself into believing that has to be involved with vivesection. And now you are trying to persuade the public with lies by changing the definition of vivesection to fit your own agenda to get more on your side.
Well of course you have to let yourself be brainwashed since you do cause pain and torture to baby animals. God forbid that you should grow a brain and get a concience! Like Amy Kerwin who is a true hero in every sense of the word.
What it really comes down to is one thing and one thing only. Money. If the money wasn't there the animals wouldn't be getting tortured on a daily basis.
There are tons of studies done on non-human animals that have no connection or relevancy to humans which bring in millions of dollars.
Those who cause pain and inflict diseases upon animals in the labs are following in the footsteps of Hitler and the nazis.
Those of us who are fighting for their rights are following in the footsteps of the abolitionists who were against slavery.
Which side are you on? Freedom or torture?
Wow. Godwin's Law in three.
I think some funding needs to be put toward researching how many people have died or have been severely injured from the ‘side effects’ of pharmaceutical drugs and compare that to how many have been saved. ---and funding to study the people who live a long time without taking pharmaceutical drugs – we could learn a lot from their lifestyles.
Studies have been done thanks the help of the oversight of the FDA; a representative from the FDA in a 2004 speech at the Mayo Alliance for Clinical Trials Conference said the amount of drugs that make it to late 3rd phase trials is 50% and it costs ~$800 million to bring one drug to the market. His point was that things need to be improved. I hope they do.
I look at the 50% stat pessimistically: 50% of millions of dollars and animal lives wasted all done under the argument for ‘advancing humankind’. So blinded by animal research academia touting biomedical research as their own (despite the fact that there is human-derived stem cell and in-vitro testing going on), it seems some of the people who commented above are unwilling to look far enough past their own bias and animal-testing box to see that there needs to be improvement in the animal testing system. Otherwise, no one will be able to afford any drug that is developed.
Part of the Research and Development process for pharma IS computer-based biomedical testing before they test the drugs in animals, then they are tested in humans. Wouldn’t microdosing in humans and extrapolating onto the whole human body system be a good enough way to predict drug reactions in humans? We would streamline the drug development process and save money. I don’t think any other business would accept 50% as an acceptable rate of developing successful products. I mean all these animal models are that – MODELS – that may not predict what will happen in the human because they are a different species (do you remember the vioxx heart attacks? I am sure those family members are singing a different tune about pharma drugs). I am confident that human-derived models could be developed and approved at a faster rate if it weren’t for researchers out there who are so ready to endorse and defend any form of animal testing without applying their otherwise objective scientific approach they abide by.
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